also, you know, fundamental ri, you know -- fundamentally, you know, has a lot to do with morality and religion and the fact that the forces, that it's become more and more acceptable in our society to have children out of wedlock. and in particular in the african-american community. and it's too bad. >> and if social science does show anything, it is the correlation between intact, two-participant families -- two-parent families and achievement. >> absolutely. and, you know, that was also politically incorrect to say for a long time. i mean, that's the reason when daniel patrick moynihan pointed out this problem in the 19 of of1960s, he got such criticism that he stopped. brave a man as he was, he had nothing to do with this issue for the rest of his career. but now i think it's becoming increasingly recognized on both sides of the aisle that as roger says, you know, you name the social pathology whether it's dropping out of school, getting into trouble with the law, you know, whatever, and there's a strong correlation between it and growing up in a home without a father. particularly for boys